Diachronic Conlanging open world

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Re: Diachronic Conlanging open world

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Egerius wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
Edit: I thought that Kaltek was Gixpoyan for a second [>_<] Whoops
And the Umbric people?
Well I thought about a syllabilary system like Linear B or Cypriot.
The Umbric people could receive a syllabic system from the Songke, who received it from the Handapachi and Tiledem, who received it from the Kaltek.
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smappy wrote:On Earth a lot of writing systems were invented independently of other writing systems because the inventors were aware of writing in other cultures.

That is, the concept of writing was borrowed but the actual writing system was invented independently.

Maybe that's what happens on Teles?

Alternatively, I think it's fine if the Kaltek system is created completely independently of the Vrkhazian system and the Ydtobogȧniaky system. After all, if those two which are so close together were created independently, why not have a third one far away?
That sounds like hangeul.
The prototypical instance of what he's talking about is the Sequoia syllabary. The people who devised hangeul were proficient in hanzi, another writing system, while Sequoia was illiterate.
Other examples include the Ndjuka syllabary of South America, many African writing systems like Bamum and Vai, the Woleaian syllabary of Oceania, and Pahawh Hmong of Southeast Asia.

Some argue that Chinese might be a further example (after all, a lot of Chinese things like bronze, the saddle, and Buddhism were borrowed from other sources). Brahmi of India might be derived from Aramaic or it might be independent in the same sense as the Cherokee syllabary. Proto-Sinaitic, the ancestor of Phoenician, Greek, Latin, etc. was derived from Egyptian hieroglyphs, which were probably inspired by Sumerian cuneiform...it seems that this pattern might apply to most writing systems besides Sumerian cuneiform and Mesoamerican writing.
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Re: Diachronic Conlanging open world

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smappy wrote:
Egerius wrote:
qwed117 wrote:
Edit: I thought that Kaltek was Gixpoyan for a second [>_<] Whoops
And the Umbric people?
Well I thought about a syllabilary system like Linear B or Cypriot.
The Umbric people could receive a syllabic system from the Songke, who received it from the Handapachi and Tiledem, who received it from the Kaltek.
I'm almost certain that the Akuri will use a Songke system that's been adapted to fit the language.
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This is for Ahzoh, I just tried to connect the signs of Vrkhazhian Akhuva and some signs of the Kaltek logogram...

They borrowed the sign for 4 and 1 to make the sign for 5, and the original sign for 5, which was supposed to be the same to the sign for hand, has become obsolete.

the Kaltek logogram is still under construction...maybe I should post them once I finish them?
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We still haven't decided which tectonic analysis we will use. This is actually pretty necessary.
qwed117 wrote:Image
smappy wrote: Image
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k1234567890y wrote:Image
Ah those look good. But I think they would look better if they were a bit more cleaned-up.
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k1234567890y wrote:Image
Ah those look good. But I think they would look better if they were a bit more cleaned-up.
thank you :) although it seems that I need to improve my handwriting and to write with a ballpoint pen or to make computer graphics for them?
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Well, if you look at this picture of another of my scripts:
http://i.imgur.com/TDsMjyZ.jpg

I try to fit my letters between two lines of the paper and ascenders and descenders are the size of only half a line.
I also try to be evenly proportional for each side of a glyph.

All this makes the letters look cleaner. In my fast handwriting they look a bit sloppier.

I like those glyphs in that link. I'm split between continuing it for another language or taking them and putting them in the Vrkhazhian script.
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Ahzoh wrote:Well, if you look at this picture of another of my scripts:
http://i.imgur.com/TDsMjyZ.jpg

I try to fit my letters between two lines of the paper and ascenders and descenders are the size of only half a line.
I also try to be evenly proportional for each side of a glyph.

All this makes the letters look cleaner. In my fast handwriting they look a bit sloppier.

I like those glyphs in that link. I'm split between continuing it for another language or taking them and putting them in the Vrkhazhian script.
ok :) thank you for your suggestion
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I decided that the Taic languages, The Zempachi languages and The Kaltek-Akan language can be distant relatives belonging to the macro language family called "Central-Avestan langauges"(which is not related to the Avesto-Umbric languages); also, I also decided that Handapachi language to be evolved from a mixed langauges of a Central-Avestan language and an Avesto-Umbric language.
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qwed117 wrote:We still haven't decided which tectonic analysis we will use. This is actually pretty necessary.
qwed117 wrote:Image
smappy wrote: Image
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I have made 18 roots for the possible Central-Avestan langauges...and in my plan, Kaltek-Akan and Zempachi are in one group; while Taic and the family of the (likely extinct) non-Umbric source language of Handapachi(temporary called Highlandic) are in another group.
qwed117 wrote:
qwed117 wrote:We still haven't decided which tectonic analysis we will use. This is actually pretty necessary.
qwed117 wrote:Image
smappy wrote: Image
Please People!
you hope us discuss the tectonics more? either is ok, although I now vote for your version...

In both versions, there will be earthquakes and even volcano activities on the Great Whale Island and the Bawim islands.

Moreover, what happened to the Kanic languages? has the creator forgot it, if the creator has forgotten it, maybe I can take over it(am I too greedy?)?
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qwed117 wrote:We still haven't decided which tectonic analysis we will use. This is actually pretty necessary.
qwed117 wrote:Image
smappy wrote: Image
I particularly find smappy's tectonics to make more sense for me. By the way, what are the consequences (volcanoes or earthquakes) of them in eastern Amalan?
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http://telesconlang.wikia.com/wiki/Akan_language

http://telesconlang.wikia.com/wiki/Akan_people

The name coincides with a group of people and their language of our world...should I change the names into "Naka language" and "Naka people" respectively? XD
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k1234567890y wrote:http://telesconlang.wikia.com/wiki/Akan_language

http://telesconlang.wikia.com/wiki/Akan_people

The name coincides with a group of people and their language of our world...should I change the names into "Naka language" and "Naka people" respectively? XD
Given that the Akan language may have significant importance, I support that we should change the names.
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qwed117 wrote:
k1234567890y wrote:http://telesconlang.wikia.com/wiki/Akan_language

http://telesconlang.wikia.com/wiki/Akan_people

The name coincides with a group of people and their language of our world...should I change the names into "Naka language" and "Naka people" respectively? XD
Given that the Akan language may have significant importance, I support that we should change the names.
I decided to change the name into "2-4-11 language" and "2-4-11 people" respectively, or into "Akankule language" and "Akankule people" respectively
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Ätlan is now extinct language, source of influences into Western Arhoan languages.

Ätlan phonology:

/p t k/ [p t k]
/b d g/
/t͡s t͡ʃ/ [c č]
/d͡z d͡ʒ/ [dz dž]
/s ʃ h/ [s š h]
/v z ʒ/ [v z ž]
/m n/ [m n]
/l/ [l]
/j/ [y]

/i u/
/e o/ [e o]
/ə/ [ə]
/æ ɒ/ [ä a]

æi ɒi ei əi oi ui
æu ɒu eu əu ou iu

CVC

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Phādan is another now extinct language, used as source for Proto-Eastern-Arhoan language.

Phādan phonology:

p t k
pʰ tʰ kʰ
f s
v z ɣ
m n
r
j w

i u
ɛ ɔ
a

iː uː
eː oː


CVC
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Artaxes wrote:Ätlan is now extinct language, source of influences into Western Arhoan languages.

Ätlan phonology:

/p t k/ [p t k]
/b d g/
/t͡s t͡ʃ/ [c č]
/d͡z d͡ʒ/ [dz dž]
/s ʃ h/ [s š h]
/v z ʒ/ [v z ž]
/m n/ [m n]
/l/ [l]
/j/ [y]

/i u/
/e o/ [e o]
/ə/ [ə]
/æ ɒ/ [ä a]

æi ɒi ei əi oi ui
æu ɒu eu əu ou iu

CVC

---------------------------------------

Phādan is another now extinct language, used as source for Proto-Eastern-Arhoan language.

Phādan phonology:

p t k
pʰ tʰ kʰ
f s
v z ɣ
m n
r
j w

i u
ɛ ɔ
a

iː uː
eː oː


CVC

are you going to develop them more? :)

also, I have taken over the Taic language proposed by CatDoom, the urheimat of Taic language is pretty close to your Arhoan languages: http://telesconlang.wikia.com/wiki/Taic_languages
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qwed117 wrote:
smappy wrote:It does sound pretty likely. Who's to say that it wasn't also the case for the other mountain ranges though? (speculation)
Based only on pure speculation it looks as if, to the north, Mongolia could've been created by the Siberian Plate while it was fusing to the Eurasian Plate, but I'm not too familiar to the geological history of that area. Wikipedia says that that orogeny was created alongside the rest of the Tethyan closure.

I'm creating a new language family near Akuriga. It probably won't do much, except influence Akuriga, and maybe Songke.
Here's it circa 4000 BC. It'll probably have an Indo-Europeanesque phonology, and it'll be the source of several "isolates" later in the Peninsulas history.
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I've begun to work on it more as "Disasterlang". It'll be fixing everything I messed up in Akuriga.
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It's probably just me, but i have no idea how does one possibly handle more than one language family at the same time. I did 1500 years and got 18 langs. It did some preliminary thinking and after the next 1500 year round i'll end up with over 50 langs. And as can be seen with my threads i am fairly thorough with each and every one of them (although i think i'll leave 10 of the next rounds ones for someone else to work out). It may be that i'm just too detailed to handle more families (and i intend to be more detailed when i get closer to Teles' present), which is probably not bad.
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loglorn wrote:It's probably just me, but i have no idea how does one possibly handle more than one language family at the same time. I did 1500 years and got 18 langs. It did some preliminary thinking and after the next 1500 year round i'll end up with over 50 langs. And as can be seen with my threads i am fairly thorough with each and every one of them (although i think i'll leave 10 of the next rounds ones for someone else to work out). It may be that i'm just too detailed to handle more families (and i intend to be more detailed when i get closer to Teles' present), which is probably not bad.
maybe different people have different ways to do jobs. Just go on your own way, as this is not morality-related, and is not related to efficiency of a corporation, either.

moreover, I found that I frequently do reverse diachronic conlanging, by making something about a daughter language with wanted forms, then make its ancestor languages, and then make vocabularies for the earlier languages and then get the corresponding forms in the daughter language(s)...Proto-Ulitan and Proto-Western Ulitan was developed by that way

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