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What sort of interesting weaponry have your con-people created? Some say war is inevitable, so unless your conworld is a utopia, they must have something to fight with :-)

My con-people are human, and like us have waged war, and continue to do so. The world of Bakatsu has a particularly dark and bloody past, though little is really known about it. Actual records start in the Old World, the lands in the south-east of Bakatsu where "modern civilization" began.

My focus has mainly stayed on a war known as the Ikutsutsu, translated meaning "Great War". It is considered the longest war in Bakatsu history, totaling 150 years (around 160 in Earth Years). In actuality these were a great number of wars considered separate at the time. The conflict began in the Zelse year of 811, with the Stchafe nation fighting the Bagamaji nation and, more importantly, the Zelsen Empire who came to their defense. The reasons and players changed throughout the 150 year period, but the Zelse and the Stchafe remained major forces for most of the war. Nearly the entire world was pulled into the fighting, and if one should compare a map from before the war to one after, they would see two almost completely different places save for the land itself.

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At the war's start both sides were generally matched in technology. Musket-like rifles were used alongside more conventional things like blades. The war was fought on land and sea, boats having already been well in use for hundreds of years, though now armored with things like canons. This time is called the "Old Age" by historians.

In 841 a man named Yanaga of the Zelsen Empire perfected the first rifle, a gun with a rifled barrel making it astoundingly accurate. This marked the start of what is now called the "Pre-Modern Age". The Empire soon enjoyed a short period of dominance against the Stchafe before they too designed and put in service a similar group of weapons. In 850 however, turbulence at home on the Zelse island climaxed with the Zelse Revolution, which saw the fall of the Empire in 854. The New Zelse Republic pulled of the war, though fighting between the Stchafe and Bagamaji continued lightly.

By 872 the world was very much changed. The Bagamaji nation was collapsing, worn out from the war effort, while the Stchafe had gained a new ally and major war player, the Pochtu Empire from the north-east. At first the Zelse Republic wanted little to do with the fighting starting once again, but in an attempt to take hold of the resource-rich island the Pochtu and Stchafe attempted an invasion of Zelse. It failed, as the Zelsen military had been continuously trained and armed despite the peace, and the Republic quickly mobilized for a new attack across the sea on the Old World, and entered into the "Modern Age" of the war.

The war finally ended in 962, after the Stchafe (the Pochtu Empire had crumbled during the Modern Age) suffered a huge defeat near the end of 961 at the Battle of Skosku, which paved the way for Zelse forces to push into Stchafe territory. As more troops pushed forward, the Stchafe surrendered. A few months later after terms were negotiated (horribly in favor of the Zelse) the war was officially over. The Stchafe and Bagamaji Empires later fell apart during the huge global depression that followed the war. The Zelse Republic managed to stay together, though was not in good health, and a coup eventually replaced the old government with a new one. But that is another long, different story for another time ;-) .
I've designed a few sets of weapons from the Modern Age. One I've put most work into is the 960 set. In this period the Zelse military put weapons into service in "sets", marked by the year in which they were circulated into the army.

I've done a lot of work on the KHZ960.1, that is, the Katsuka Himatsu Zeruse (KoiHuZai) Nikitohonzu (NiHo) Sai Bu. This is an assault rifle. It uses a magazine loading system. It fires caseless 1.67x10skg (sai-ken-gun, 1.67 thousandths of a gun, a Zelsen measurement) ammunition. It uses a special primer to avoid accidental discharge from heat, which is ignited electronically. This means the gun also requires a battery to fire. Caseless ammo was chosen by the Zelse military as a response to a shortage of funds for making metal cases that would simply be left on the ground in the end. The 960 SaiBu is very similiar to it's predecessor, the 952 SaiBu, save a few small design differences, and re-worked internals making disassembly and clearing jams much easier. It had Zelse-standard attachment slots for sights/scopes (unlike the 952 which had an older type of non-standard slot). It operated at short to medium ranges, though was proven only semi-accurate at longer ranges (it was designed with the the generally close fighting of the tight Bagamaji forests in mind).

Here are some designs:
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A cheap low-poly OBJ model (with texture I threw together with what I could find >: ):
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So, what advances have your con-races made in the fields of weapons? Spears to lasers, let's hear about it! :mrgreen:
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Nice sketches.

My conpeople are not that technologically advanced, they are somewhere between ancient ages and the mediaeval times.
They are quite passionate about their gods, therefore their fighting styles are catogarised according to these gods.
Δрαгο, the God of Balance, doesn't fight (uses magic and whatnot), so I'll skip him.

Xωтαнο, the God of Death, uses an axe or bear hands.
Ἁcмο, the God of Nature, uses a knive and ropes. Some hasmic fighters might also use a rope with some sort of weapon on the end.
Mαο, the God of Wisdom, uses a spear; maoic fighters sometimes even use a discus*.
Cιцο, the God of Air, uses a bow and arrow.
Ἱδοр, the God of Wealth, uses a round shield and a sword.
Aκтοр, the God of War, uses most often one sword.

Most fighters are aktorian; they use speed and agility to outwit their opponents.

Another weapon that they might use is a combination of a shield and a sword: the blade reaches from their elbow to far beyond their hand; a raised shieldlike plating protects their lower arm and hand.

*Yup, a discus. With some sharpened edges of course. Maoic fighters can throw almost anything with deadly accuracy.
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None of the people of Tlawasi know of anything more lethal than a longbow or an atlatl that fires hot throwing knives; they do, however, know of war.

Of course, I have worked on the Sa'u'o the most, so I shall detail them:

The Sa'u'o military is not separated into a navy and an army officially, nor do they separate the military and the police (both are trained for war and for ensuring social order; they are somewhat like a gendarmerie).

Their is no conscription but once one joins the Pamywinge they are bound into training in their district (the Pamywinge have a federated district system on a national level) in peacetime and into battle in war.

As for weapons, there are no cavalry (draft and pack animals are unknown on Tlawasi) and thus the military is composed solely of infantry. These infantry are usually trained in a few different weapons (their specialty weapon and usually a sling and always a dagger) though they all specialize in 1 weapon: melee weapons include: wooden clubs shaped like axes (much like the tewhatewha), knobkerries and spears tipped with steel points; the Sa'u'o know of metal swords but choose not to use them, as they prefer cheaper clubs which also require less skill to wield effectively.

Ranged weapons are dominated by slings made of Pipturus or coir fiber that fire clay pellets manufactured by the state workforce, though longbows are sometimes used, as are bolas for sieges.

The military is completely coed and all positions may be filled by both males and females. The soldier is garbed in palm leaf sandals, a penis gourd (for men) or a thong with a wooden, ceramic or gourd genital covering (for women), a helmet made of wicker, while the shield is kite shaped and made of wicker.
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Well, I haven't started alot with my conpeople, but at least I can already say they won't have bionic weapons and laser guns ^^ they are pretty primitive but I want to give them something special, like some kind of special metal that can be found only on their conworld.
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It's fun to make crazy, neat weaponry.
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@Veris: The Ancient Hawaiians also were fond of spears.
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There's a reason why a common phrase in Inyauk is:
"You may be _____(smart, strong, rich etc.) but if I stab you the heart you still die."
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Ossicone wrote:There's a reason why a common phrase in Inyauk is:
"You may be _____(smart, strong, rich etc.) but if I stab you the heart you still die."
Because their pre-modern medicine makes resuscitation impossible?
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I've always thought a cool weapon would be a sort of spear-shield combo - think of it like an umbrella, only the "cloth" bit is made of thick leather and the bit that sticks out the top is made of metal and very sharp. I've not yet formally made this part of my conworld, but I like to think it's been used there somewhere.
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Veris wrote:
Ossicone wrote:There's a reason why a common phrase in Inyauk is:
"You may be _____(smart, strong, rich etc.) but if I stab you the heart you still die."
Because their pre-modern medicine makes resuscitation impossible?
Yes. But also I don't even think current human medicine could save someone.
Even Picard almost died.

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Technically, if you're stabbed in the heart within ten feet and fifteen seconds of a prepped emergency room, it's a survivable injury :p
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Veris wrote:Technically, if you're stabbed in the heart within ten feet and fifteen seconds of a prepped emergency room, it's a survivable injury :p


How do you know this?

Experience.

Has someone proven it?



Makurungou weaponry..

If a Makurungou does have a weapon. It will probably be a stolen Validonian weapon.

Otherwise, They will make at best, Crude stone spears.

So they use their claws and teeth instead.
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It's clearly a joke.
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Some more weapons, these ones made much earlier, at the start of the Modern-era of the Great War, which opened arguably with either the Stchafe invasion of the Zelsen island (which ultimately failed) or the Zelsen invasion of Western Bagamaji (at the time under Stchafe occupation) that led to the ~90 year campaign overseas.

Regardless, after the Stchafe were pushed back from the island, the Hunzai, which had not taken an active role in the ongoing conflicts in Bagamaji for 20 years since the Revolution, joined back into the war effort against Stchafe and its allies.

In order to take back the ground they'd lost, the Zelsen military planned to execute an invasion of enormous scale, involving essentially the entire army. The western coasts of Bagamaji were fortified with bunkers and AA guns, and in order to move their air force inland these had to be cleared (their air power was one of the biggest advantages against the Stchafe at the time).

The solution, called Daka Ye ("Red Day") was to land large numbers of the newly designed SHZ-872T (Saika Himatsu Zeruse Yi kito Yosu Fa Te, "Saika Te na") amphibious light-armored carrier tanks up and down the coast, carrying ~900,000 Hunzai troops. Spread out, this was meant to cover nearly every known Stchafe position on the west coast.

The Te tanks held 9 soldiers (standing room only) in the carrier section and 2 more (driver and machinegunner operator) in the more armored control section. They were powered by steam engine likenesses (the latest power source at that point) and rode on dual "screws".

The Te tanks were loaded and deployed from low-floating mobile air craft carriers (which also held the air fleet). Their screw-propulsion worked excellent in the water, however they were not very fast on land, and though they could take a bullets, Stchafe rockets could easily bring one down. Thus when they hit the beach 8 of the passenger soldiers would get out and escort the tank as it made its way forward towards the bunkers, being careful not to touch the machine gun barrell mounted on the side, or else lose whatever part of themselves touched it (as it heated up very quickly when firing). The ninth remained inside to maintain the gun and aid the operator.

The first-most team that pushed forward were known as the "ikyokaku", or "those who rush bravely into the fight without fear of death". It was their job to take the bunkers and eliminate the men inside, usually accomplished by means of the NT3 (NajiTsu Hen) anti-bunker explosive charges. After that, the rest of the initial landing force would move up with the Te tanks and take out the AA guns, then the fleet would be signaled to move the air craft in. This was not easy, and there were enormous casualties, probably the worst in such a relatively short time of the war.

The landing forces were all armed with the newest rifle designed by Katsuka Yanaga (military gun designing/manufacturing company). This was the Y-72 (before the military started using KHZ "sets"). A rough sketch of it:

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The Y-72 could fire in both a "bolt-action" like mode, and semi-auto fire. This was the first semi-auto rifle to be put into large scale use. Normally one could operate the bolt manually, but the rifle could be switched to use the new gas-operated reloading system. The manual mode was far steadier, and in some rare cases the prototype gas-operated system could cause malfunctions, so manual was generally preferred except for closer combat. The rifle had a front, rear, and (for alignment) a middle iron sight attached. It used a six-round magazine, another somewhat new idea. This was also before the Hunzai adopted case-less ammunition and an electrical firing system, so the Y-72 used more standard methods. It also had a bayonet mount underneath as shown.

After the "Red Day" (which actual ended up being about 2 days) the HHZ-1 and -2 (Hibi Himatsu Zeruse Bukai and Fakai, "HunHunZai Bukai/Fakai"), or First/Second Zelse Warrior Squads (akin to Marines) took the west coast, and the way was clear for the rest of the military to begin the long task of pushing the Stchafe out of Bagamaji.

Daka Ye began on the morning of the 87th day of the 4th month (Sonebai) Zelsen year 872, and ended the evening of the 88th when the last reports of Stchafe retreating in-land were received.

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-"Are you ready, First Warriors?" "Of course yes sir!" A standard cheer of the HHZ Bukai. ~ 10% of them (90000 troops) would be killed in the invasion. Over the 150 year Great War era the world lost estimates in the billions, approx. 2/3 of the world's population at the start of the war.



On an added note, the design of the Y72 was seen numerous times in further Hunzai rifles. The KHZ931 series saw the last issued semi-auto rifle based on the Y-72, before being scrapped from the KHZ program. The sheer amount of 931-Saime's in service kept the rifle in use up till the end of the war, however. The 931-Saimes were far more reliable than all the Saibu series up to the 960-Saibu, just before the Stchafe surrendered to the invading Hunzai army in 961 (the 960-Saibu, the first weapon I talked about, was a huge improvement over previous designs and generally very reliable). Also, the earlier 931-Saime rifles still used traditional casings and firing methods, however they were later adjusted to use standard Hunzai caseless ammunition in 952. These models are known as the 931-52 Saime, and look nearly identical to the 931 on the outside, but instead of normal hammer/primer ignited by strike design they had an electronic firing mechanism like the rest of the 952 and 960 series guns.
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Not a weapon, but I did think up a neat piece of con equipment -- the nailshield. It's like a normal disposable wooden shield, only in the center, there's a large circle of outward-facing metal nails packed closely together; closely as in adjacent, with virtually no space inbetween. What's the point of that? Besides the obvious "use the shield as a weapon;" the bed of nails could catch a flat blade as it's striking, so you could rip your opponent's weapon away from them without having to physically grab it.
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Veris wrote:Not a weapon, but I did think up a neat piece of con equipment -- the nailshield. It's like a normal disposable wooden shield, only in the center, there's a large circle of outward-facing metal nails packed closely together; closely as in adjacent, with virtually no space inbetween. What's the point of that? Besides the obvious "use the shield as a weapon;" the bed of nails could catch a flat blade as it's striking, so you could rip your opponent's weapon away from them without having to physically grab it.
You'd have to be pretty accurate with your blocks (and your opponent slow to react) to get away with that.

Though it reminds me of what I believe was an Indian shield with a small torch inside intended to distract the enemy by having them look at the pretty light instead of paying attention to fighting you.

Now I personally am not experienced in melee combat but how could that possibly actually work?
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Micamo wrote:
Veris wrote:Not a weapon, but I did think up a neat piece of con equipment -- the nailshield. It's like a normal disposable wooden shield, only in the center, there's a large circle of outward-facing metal nails packed closely together; closely as in adjacent, with virtually no space inbetween. What's the point of that? Besides the obvious "use the shield as a weapon;" the bed of nails could catch a flat blade as it's striking, so you could rip your opponent's weapon away from them without having to physically grab it.
You'd have to be pretty accurate with your blocks (and your opponent slow to react) to get away with that.

Though it reminds me of what I believe was an Indian shield with a small torch inside intended to distract the enemy by having them look at the pretty light instead of paying attention to fighting you.

Now I personally am not experienced in melee combat but how could that possibly actually work?
Well, perhaps back then (when was it?) when people weren't exposed to as much bright light, a burning fire could have been quite distracting? Today they have strobe-lights to disorient attackers, which while a bit more intense than a small fire might have a similar effect.
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Some stuff I recently made (as in just now :-P ) :

HHZ Helmet (insulation lined for southern deployment, the farther South, the colder:
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Bad model of the Y-72:
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Rough model of an SHZ-872T carrier tank (+fun ye olden time FX to simulate photograph tech at the time) :
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Why does that "Tank" remind me more of a bathtub?
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