Híí Diachronics
Welcome to the Esseintial Thread on the Diachronics of the Híí Language Family!
An Esseintial Foray into Protolanging and Diachronics
In this thread I'm going to be presenting and playing with my evolving ideas for the protolanguage and diachronics of my growing Híí language family. As such, this is a kind of scratchpad, and nothing in here is set in stone. My all time favourite word when it comes to conlanging is, after all, "tentative".
Híí?
The Híí language family is the most prominent language family among the tribal societies that inhabit the Plains of Áánene - the focus area of my conworld. They are all descendants of a common ancestor referred to as Proto-Híí. The Híí languages are inspired by and in many ways modelled after the Algonquian languages of North America.
The flagship language in this family is the language I originally named Hííenununóóoþa. A thread on it can be found here, but a lot of the stuff in the thread is outdated. The language is currently named Hííewéíh’hınoht, but as this may be subject to revision, I will be referring to it as Híí, Híí proper or Modern Híí in this thread.
Other scheduled languages of the Híí language family include Project Limestone, Dirimbyééru and Húú.
Húú?
Yes, Húú. Except it's not really the name of the language but a working title until it gets its own name. Thing is, Húú is actually a dialect of Híí proper, and the idea for this dialect was the main catalyst for my starting this thread. As Húú - unlike Híí- contains the grapheme <u>, I thought it would be ideal (and somewhat amusing) to name it Húú for now.
To begin with I'm going to be exploring how Híí proper and Húú diverged along the way from Proto-Híí to Modern Híí.
What about Háá, Héé and Hóó?
The Híí language family is steadily expanding, and in the long run, I aim to make the protolanguage progressively more complex to account for new features I want to add to such dialects. This is yet another reason not to consider anything in this thread set in stone. It's the journey, people, it's the journey.
I may resist the urge to actually name the new dialects Háá, Héé and Hóó though, tempting as it may be.
Have you gone mad, Des?
Probably.
Híí Diachronics - Esseintial Protolanging
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Re: Híí Diachronics - Esseintial Protolanging
Phonologies of Modern Híí Languages
This post is going to serve as a reference for the thread, where I outline the phonologies of the modern Híí languages. I'm going to start with Híí, Húú and Limestone, but hopefully I will be able to add others in the future.
Of course, as the phonologies evolve and I discover more about the diachronics of the family, I hope to update these outlines.
Híí Phonology
Húú Phonology
Limestone Phonology
I'm hoping to start posting about Proto-Híí soon!
This post is going to serve as a reference for the thread, where I outline the phonologies of the modern Híí languages. I'm going to start with Híí, Húú and Limestone, but hopefully I will be able to add others in the future.
Of course, as the phonologies evolve and I discover more about the diachronics of the family, I hope to update these outlines.
Híí Phonology
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Húú Phonology
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Limestone Phonology
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I'm hoping to start posting about Proto-Híí soon!
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Re: Híí Diachronics - Esseintial Protolanging
Proto-Híí Phonology
What follows is my reconstruction of Proto-Híí phonology through comparative analysis of Híí proper and Húú, along with my limited understanding of Limestone. Again I stress that this is a work in progress.
Phoneme Inventory
So far I have reconstructed the following consonant phonemes for Proto-Híí.
*m *n
*p *c *t *ƛ *č *k *q
*s *θ *ł *š *x
*l
*y *w
*c *ƛ *č *š *ł *y are assumed to correspond to IPA /t͡s t͡ɬ t͡ʃ ʃ ɬ j/
I would like to make some observations here regarding the reconstruction:
- *q has /ʔ/ as its main reflex in Híí and Húú but has been reconstructed as a uvular stop as its reflex in Limestone is /k/.
- *x was most likely uvular as well
- *č *š probably weren't phonemic but simply allophones of *t *s before *i *y.
- *θ is an alveolar fricative of unknown quality. It largely merges with *ł in Híí.
The vowel system seems to have been relatively straightforward, containing four vowel phonemes.
*a *e *i *o
- *o probably did not occur following *Cw.
- It is as of yet unclear whether *Ci *Cyi were distinct.
Vowel length and phonation will be discussed below in the section on vowel grades.
Syllable Structure and Phonotactics
Proto-Híí syllable structure can largely be summarised as C1(y,w)V(C2), where
C1 is any consonant
C2 is any of *N *s *θ *ł *l, and in marginal cases one of *ns *ls
The following C(w,y) combinations are attested
my ny nw
py ty/č tw ky kw qw
cw ƛw
θw sy/š sw łw xw
ly lw
Attested word-initial onsets consist of:
All the above clusters can further combine with a glide as long as the last consonant in the cluster can form a legal C(w,y) cluster. Therefore mpy is a valid cluster while ntw is not, as py is permissible but tw is not. Similarly, lsqw is permissible but nsqy is not.
Vowel Grades
Vowels in stressed syllables could take one of four grades:
1. Short *á
2. Long *ā
3. Glottalised *aʔ or *áʔ1
4. Aspirated *ah or *áh1
1I use the acute accents when discussing stress patterns for added clarity
Several complex stress patterns seem to have occurred. As an example:
In many words, if the second syllable is accented with any grade other than the long grade, the vowel in the first syllable is lengthened.
nanáhkwa → nānáhkwa
I'll post more on this as I uncover more patterns.
That's it so far. I would be interested to hear what sections are unclear, and what I should expand upon, before I start the actual diachronics. Comments and suggestions welcome as always.
What follows is my reconstruction of Proto-Híí phonology through comparative analysis of Híí proper and Húú, along with my limited understanding of Limestone. Again I stress that this is a work in progress.
Phoneme Inventory
So far I have reconstructed the following consonant phonemes for Proto-Híí.
*m *n
*p *c *t *ƛ *č *k *q
*s *θ *ł *š *x
*l
*y *w
*c *ƛ *č *š *ł *y are assumed to correspond to IPA /t͡s t͡ɬ t͡ʃ ʃ ɬ j/
I would like to make some observations here regarding the reconstruction:
- *q has /ʔ/ as its main reflex in Híí and Húú but has been reconstructed as a uvular stop as its reflex in Limestone is /k/.
- *x was most likely uvular as well
- *č *š probably weren't phonemic but simply allophones of *t *s before *i *y.
- *θ is an alveolar fricative of unknown quality. It largely merges with *ł in Híí.
The vowel system seems to have been relatively straightforward, containing four vowel phonemes.
*a *e *i *o
- *o probably did not occur following *Cw.
- It is as of yet unclear whether *Ci *Cyi were distinct.
Vowel length and phonation will be discussed below in the section on vowel grades.
Syllable Structure and Phonotactics
Proto-Híí syllable structure can largely be summarised as C1(y,w)V(C2), where
C1 is any consonant
C2 is any of *N *s *θ *ł *l, and in marginal cases one of *ns *ls
The following C(w,y) combinations are attested
my ny nw
py ty/č tw ky kw qw
cw ƛw
θw sy/š sw łw xw
ly lw
Attested word-initial onsets consist of:
- nothing (zero-onsets are only permitted in this position)
- any single consonant
- any stop+glide cluster
- any of my ny sy sw
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m n p t k q s θ ł l
N - - mp nt nk nq ns nθ - -
ns - - - nst nsk nsq - - - -
s sm sn sp st sk sq - - - -
θ - - θp - θk θq - - - -
ł - - łp łt łk łq - - - -
l lm ln lp lt lk lq ls lθ - -
ls - - lsp lst lsk lsq - - - -
Vowel Grades
Vowels in stressed syllables could take one of four grades:
1. Short *á
2. Long *ā
3. Glottalised *aʔ or *áʔ1
4. Aspirated *ah or *áh1
1I use the acute accents when discussing stress patterns for added clarity
Several complex stress patterns seem to have occurred. As an example:
In many words, if the second syllable is accented with any grade other than the long grade, the vowel in the first syllable is lengthened.
nanáhkwa → nānáhkwa
I'll post more on this as I uncover more patterns.
That's it so far. I would be interested to hear what sections are unclear, and what I should expand upon, before I start the actual diachronics. Comments and suggestions welcome as always.
Edit: Edited in clusters of the type nsC and lsC.
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Re: Híí Diachronics - Esseintial Protolanging
DesEsseintes wrote: Welcome to the Esseintial Thread on the Diachronics of the Híí Language Family!
I wish I had more to say other than that this is quite interesting and I'm very excited to see where it goes in the future. I can't think of any questions at the moment, as everything is clear, straightforward, and, as you've said, tentative.
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