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Re: Collabromlang
I looked at the sound changes to check, and it seems there are a lot of new morphological effects, IINM. So we might reconsider our declension and conjugations from time to time. The rest is fine I think.qwed117 wrote:Here are the current SCA2 rulesSpoiler:
Another question: Are toneless syllables considered to be mid tones at this point, do they bear a phonetic transition pitch or do we want to introduce spreading rules.
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Re: Collabromlang
Let's have that as question 85.Creyeditor wrote:I looked at the sound changes to check, and it seems there are a lot of new morphological effects, IINM. So we might reconsider our declension and conjugations from time to time. The rest is fine I think.qwed117 wrote:Here are the current SCA2 rulesSpoiler:
Another question: Are toneless syllables considered to be mid tones at this point, do they bear a phonetic transition pitch or do we want to introduce spreading rules.
Re: Collabromlang
Right now they are assumed to be mid-tone, but we should have a question whether assimilatory or dissimilatory spreading occurs.Frislander wrote:Let's have that as question 85.Creyeditor wrote:I looked at the sound changes to check, and it seems there are a lot of new morphological effects, IINM. So we might reconsider our declension and conjugations from time to time. The rest is fine I think.qwed117 wrote:Here are the current SCA2 rulesSpoiler:
Another question: Are toneless syllables considered to be mid tones at this point, do they bear a phonetic transition pitch or do we want to introduce spreading rules.
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Re: Collabromlang
80. b
81. a
82. b
83. a
84. b
81. a
82. b
83. a
84. b
Re: Collabromlang
80) b
81) a
82) a
83) b
84) b
81) a
82) a
83) b
84) b
Re: Collabromlang
80) a
81) a
82) a
83) a
84) a b c e
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81) a
82) a
83) a
84) a b c e
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Re: Collabromlang
80) Regressive vowel umlaut to regenerate mid-vowels
Recount will occur
81) Delete word initial vowels if they are followed by a nasal
Word initial vowels will be deleted if followed by a nasal
82) Make initial nasals prenasalized stops
A recount will occur
83) Voice initial prenasalized stops
Initial prenasalized stops will be voiced
84) Scenario: WIXÚRJA We barely eke out a victory against the Jukuns; amazing considering how unprepared we were for the war. What should we do to our newly vanquished foes
We will integrate our foes into our society
85) How many recounts should occur before a question is tabled?
<This question will be run with STV voting. You should rank all the options, or else your vote may not be heard. You should do this by ordering the responses from most favored to least favored. For example, putting edcba indicates that you want the most possible amounts of recounts.>
a) 0
b) 1
c) 2
d) 3
e) 4
86)Regressive vowel umlaut to regenerate mid-vowels
<Since we have the diphthongs ai and au, my suggestion is that they monophthongize to /e/ and /o/, and following this final i and o "duplicate" backwards. Looking back at my 1st declension conjugations, an interesting ablaut would occur here. The ego form would become aumu, meanwhile the subjunctive form would be aimi (aimis, aimit, amemus, ametis)>
a) Yes
b) No
87) Make initial nasals prenasalized stops
<magicus→magìk→mbagìk >
a) Yes
b) No
88) Scenario: We have the mainly female group join our village. Within a couple of years, they become largely mixed within our community. Slowly we begin to gain words, especially the names of vegetables and such. A nativist sentiment develops from the original inhabitants. Should we begin to curb back our use of foreign words?
<Here are some words we are "adding" to our lexicon.
d͡ʒé "fish"
da "farm"
mbo "hungry"
ʒẽ "to plant"
fe "cook"
(a)byu "butter"
kyẽ̀ "egg"
swe "fat"
(a)kwĩ́ "knife"
(a)kwĩ "grindstone"
(à)kwĩ̀ "(bottle-necked) gourd"
(à)swe "guinea fowl"
(à)dũ̀ "sheep"
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a) Remove loanwords to a large degree
b) Retain loanwords
c) Naturalize/romanicize the loanwords
Unupdated sound changes
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81) Delete word initial vowels if they are followed by a nasal
Spoiler:
82) Make initial nasals prenasalized stops
Spoiler:
83) Voice initial prenasalized stops
Spoiler:
84) Scenario: WIXÚRJA We barely eke out a victory against the Jukuns; amazing considering how unprepared we were for the war. What should we do to our newly vanquished foes
Spoiler:
85) How many recounts should occur before a question is tabled?
<This question will be run with STV voting. You should rank all the options, or else your vote may not be heard. You should do this by ordering the responses from most favored to least favored. For example, putting edcba indicates that you want the most possible amounts of recounts.>
a) 0
b) 1
c) 2
d) 3
e) 4
86)Regressive vowel umlaut to regenerate mid-vowels
<Since we have the diphthongs ai and au, my suggestion is that they monophthongize to /e/ and /o/, and following this final i and o "duplicate" backwards. Looking back at my 1st declension conjugations, an interesting ablaut would occur here. The ego form would become aumu, meanwhile the subjunctive form would be aimi (aimis, aimit, amemus, ametis)>
a) Yes
b) No
87) Make initial nasals prenasalized stops
<magicus→magìk→mbagìk >
a) Yes
b) No
88) Scenario: We have the mainly female group join our village. Within a couple of years, they become largely mixed within our community. Slowly we begin to gain words, especially the names of vegetables and such. A nativist sentiment develops from the original inhabitants. Should we begin to curb back our use of foreign words?
<Here are some words we are "adding" to our lexicon.
d͡ʒé "fish"
da "farm"
mbo "hungry"
ʒẽ "to plant"
fe "cook"
(a)byu "butter"
kyẽ̀ "egg"
swe "fat"
(a)kwĩ́ "knife"
(a)kwĩ "grindstone"
(à)kwĩ̀ "(bottle-necked) gourd"
(à)swe "guinea fowl"
(à)dũ̀ "sheep"
>
a) Remove loanwords to a large degree
b) Retain loanwords
c) Naturalize/romanicize the loanwords
Unupdated sound changes
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Re: Collabromlang
85) cbdea
86) b)
87) b)
88) b) c)
86) b)
87) b)
88) b) c)
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Re: Collabromlang
85) cdeba
86) b
87) b
88) b, c
86) b
87) b
88) b, c
Re: Collabromlang
85.) c,b,d,e,a
86.) b
87.) b
88.) c
86.) b
87.) b
88.) c
Re: Collabromlang
85) bcdea
86) b
87) a
88) c
86) b
87) a
88) c
Re: Collabromlang
85) bcade
86) b
87) b
88) cb
86) b
87) b
88) cb
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Re: Collabromlang
85) How many recounts should occur before a question is tabled?
b) c) a) d) e)
86)Regressive vowel umlaut to regenerate mid-vowels
a) Yes
87) Make initial nasals prenasalized stops
b) No
88) Scenario: A nativist sentiment develops from the original inhabitants. Should we begin to curb back our use of foreign words?
a) Remove loanwords to a large degree
b) c) a) d) e)
86)Regressive vowel umlaut to regenerate mid-vowels
a) Yes
87) Make initial nasals prenasalized stops
b) No
88) Scenario: A nativist sentiment develops from the original inhabitants. Should we begin to curb back our use of foreign words?
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Re: Collabromlang
I've had a look at the sound changes and their outcomes, and I have a few comments:
- We need a few clean-up rules. For instance, adop'tare currently gives ada˦w'ta˨r (or ada˦wa˦ra if the stress is not explicitly marked), which should probably be adau˦'ta˨r instead, and 'sanctus gives 'sanxtu, which should probably be either 'sanxu˦ or 'sanku˦.
- Also, I would suggest adding a few rules at the beginning of the SC list to deal with orthographic exceptions, e.g. <ph th kh y> in Greek loanwords (originally these would have been pronounced /pʰ tʰ kʰ y/, but by the time of Vulgar Latin they had mostly become /f t k i/ IIANM; I think the latter should be our starting point).
- The changes p/˦/V_[sʃ] followed by p[ʃs]/ff/_ have been voted for, but they don't make much sense in this combination IMO, because /ps/ almost always appears after vowels. In www.perseus.tufts.edu I have found only four words of reasonable frequency that would be affected by our second rule: psalmus > ffalmu, psalterium > ffalírju, palimpsestus > palimffìθ, and the prefix pseudo- > ffiuda-. (Also relevant: urbs > aurp if originally /urps/ because the final /s/ is deleted earlier.) None of these are positions where a geminate /ff/ is likely to be retained, although I must admit it looks good. I would therefore suggest a rule about simplifying geminate consonants at some point, possibly with some tonal effects (e.g. adjacent vowels get high tone if the simplified geminate is voiceless, and low tone if the geminate is voiced).
- I propose adding an exception to the sound change CtV/CV˦/_, which should IMO not apply after nasals (so that medial /nt/ clusters survive for now).
- I propose a sound change r,l → ˨ / VV_C, VV_# except VV_[jw]V; possibly accompanied by r,l → i,u(˨?) / V_C, V_# except V_[jw]V
(This would give e.g. urbs > aùp, Marcus > Maìku, albus > aùbu)
- We need a few clean-up rules. For instance, adop'tare currently gives ada˦w'ta˨r (or ada˦wa˦ra if the stress is not explicitly marked), which should probably be adau˦'ta˨r instead, and 'sanctus gives 'sanxtu, which should probably be either 'sanxu˦ or 'sanku˦.
- Also, I would suggest adding a few rules at the beginning of the SC list to deal with orthographic exceptions, e.g. <ph th kh y> in Greek loanwords (originally these would have been pronounced /pʰ tʰ kʰ y/, but by the time of Vulgar Latin they had mostly become /f t k i/ IIANM; I think the latter should be our starting point).
- The changes p/˦/V_[sʃ] followed by p[ʃs]/ff/_ have been voted for, but they don't make much sense in this combination IMO, because /ps/ almost always appears after vowels. In www.perseus.tufts.edu I have found only four words of reasonable frequency that would be affected by our second rule: psalmus > ffalmu, psalterium > ffalírju, palimpsestus > palimffìθ, and the prefix pseudo- > ffiuda-. (Also relevant: urbs > aurp if originally /urps/ because the final /s/ is deleted earlier.) None of these are positions where a geminate /ff/ is likely to be retained, although I must admit it looks good. I would therefore suggest a rule about simplifying geminate consonants at some point, possibly with some tonal effects (e.g. adjacent vowels get high tone if the simplified geminate is voiceless, and low tone if the geminate is voiced).
- I propose adding an exception to the sound change CtV/CV˦/_, which should IMO not apply after nasals (so that medial /nt/ clusters survive for now).
- I propose a sound change r,l → ˨ / VV_C, VV_# except VV_[jw]V; possibly accompanied by r,l → i,u(˨?) / V_C, V_# except V_[jw]V
(This would give e.g. urbs > aùp, Marcus > Maìku, albus > aùbu)
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Re: Collabromlang
85)c,d,b,a,e
86)a
87)b
88)b,c
86)a
87)b
88)b,c
Re: Collabromlang
I think all these changes are reasonable.cedh wrote:I've had a look at the sound changes and their outcomes, and I have a few comments:
- We need a few clean-up rules. For instance, adop'tare currently gives ada˦w'ta˨r (or ada˦wa˦ra if the stress is not explicitly marked), which should probably be adau˦'ta˨r instead, and 'sanctus gives 'sanxtu, which should probably be either 'sanxu˦ or 'sanku˦.
- Also, I would suggest adding a few rules at the beginning of the SC list to deal with orthographic exceptions, e.g. <ph th kh y> in Greek loanwords (originally these would have been pronounced /pʰ tʰ kʰ y/, but by the time of Vulgar Latin they had mostly become /f t k i/ IIANM; I think the latter should be our starting point).
- The changes p/˦/V_[sʃ] followed by p[ʃs]/ff/_ have been voted for, but they don't make much sense in this combination IMO, because /ps/ almost always appears after vowels. In www.perseus.tufts.edu I have found only four words of reasonable frequency that would be affected by our second rule: psalmus > ffalmu, psalterium > ffalírju, palimpsestus > palimffìθ, and the prefix pseudo- > ffiuda-. (Also relevant: urbs > aurp if originally /urps/ because the final /s/ is deleted earlier.) None of these are positions where a geminate /ff/ is likely to be retained, although I must admit it looks good. I would therefore suggest a rule about simplifying geminate consonants at some point, possibly with some tonal effects (e.g. adjacent vowels get high tone if the simplified geminate is voiceless, and low tone if the geminate is voiced).
- I propose adding an exception to the sound change CtV/CV˦/_, which should IMO not apply after nasals (so that medial /nt/ clusters survive for now).
- I propose a sound change r,l → ˨ / VV_C, VV_# except VV_[jw]V; possibly accompanied by r,l → i,u(˨?) / V_C, V_# except V_[jw]V
(This would give e.g. urbs > aùp, Marcus > Maìku, albus > aùbu)
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Re: Collabromlang
Hello? Is this collab still alive? I am very interested in all the progress that has been made in it.
Re: Collabromlang
It is. It's just that I (the "owner" (I guess)) have school right now, and I'm trying to avoid conlanging as a result.gokupwned5 wrote:Hello? Is this collab still alive? I am very interested in all the progress that has been made in it.
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Re: Collabromlang
Oh. Alright.qwed117 wrote:It is. It's just that I (the "owner" (I guess)) have school right now, and I'm trying to avoid conlanging as a result.gokupwned5 wrote:Hello? Is this collab still alive? I am very interested in all the progress that has been made in it.