Even where it does exist, [t] mostly only occurs before /i/Imralu wrote:Yes, but as I understand it, [t] only occurs in certain dialects and is absent from most Hawaiian.Axiem wrote:Aren't /k/ and /t/ allophonic in Hawaiian?Imralu wrote:No, it's maka in Hawaiian. #creativityqwed117 wrote:Look, creator of the Austronesian languages: changing one letter doesn't make a new language. At best it's a dialect. And this is for virtually every language you made. Seriously, in every language you made, the word for eye is "mata"
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pretty much the opposite to Japanese, where [t] never occurs before high vowels like /i/ except for some recent loanwords.All4Ɇn wrote:Even where it does exist, [t] mostly only occurs before /i/Imralu wrote:Yes, but as I understand it, [t] only occurs in certain dialects and is absent from most Hawaiian.Axiem wrote:Aren't /k/ and /t/ allophonic in Hawaiian?Imralu wrote:No, it's maka in Hawaiian. #creativityqwed117 wrote:Look, creator of the Austronesian languages: changing one letter doesn't make a new language. At best it's a dialect. And this is for virtually every language you made. Seriously, in every language you made, the word for eye is "mata"
speakng of Hawaiian, I have read somewhere that Jennifer is "Kinipela" in Hawaiian.
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And Christmas is "Kalikimaka".k1234567890y wrote:speakng of Hawaiian, I have read somewhere that Jennifer is "Kinipela" in Hawaiian.
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Someone who must have been a real beginner just thought "Hey look, French has some strange things on their letters, I will do this but I will totally overdo it so everyone thinks my language is super cool and special"
Tất cả mọi người sinh ra đều được tự do và bình đẳng về nhân phẩm và quyền. Mọi con người đều được tạo hoá ban cho lý trí và lương tâm và cần phải đối xử với nhau trong tình bằng hữu.
Plus, it seems like he uses <d> for /j/, <gi> for /z/ and <x> for /s/ ...really!? You didn't even invent any grammar, dude.
Tất cả mọi người sinh ra đều được tự do và bình đẳng về nhân phẩm và quyền. Mọi con người đều được tạo hoá ban cho lý trí và lương tâm và cần phải đối xử với nhau trong tình bằng hữu.
Plus, it seems like he uses <d> for /j/, <gi> for /z/ and <x> for /s/ ...really!? You didn't even invent any grammar, dude.
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And they have like, crazy gaps in their phonology, like no word-initial /p/ in native words, but having /ɓ/, and the only aspirate being /tʰ/.Iyionaku wrote:Someone who must have been a real beginner just thought "Hey look, French has some strange things on their letters, I will do this but I will totally overdo it so everyone thinks my language is super cool and special"
Tất cả mọi người sinh ra đều được tự do và bình đẳng về nhân phẩm và quyền. Mọi con người đều được tạo hoá ban cho lý trí và lương tâm và cần phải đối xử với nhau trong tình bằng hữu.
Plus, it seems like he uses <d> for /j/, <gi> for /z/ and <x> for /s/ ...really!? You didn't even invent any grammar, dude.
And then they try and claim that they derived this from someone else's proto-language with infixing morphology and loads of clusters, but they didn't like that so they got rid of it all to leave just boring-old syntax.
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A masterpiece of diachronic and dialectal conlangingIyionaku wrote:Someone who must have been a real beginner just thought "Hey look, French has some strange things on their letters, I will do this but I will totally overdo it so everyone thinks my language is super cool and special"
Tất cả mọi người sinh ra đều được tự do và bình đẳng về nhân phẩm và quyền. Mọi con người đều được tạo hoá ban cho lý trí và lương tâm và cần phải đối xử với nhau trong tình bằng hữu.
Plus, it seems like he uses <d> for /j/, <gi> for /z/ and <x> for /s/ ...really!? You didn't even invent any grammar, dude.
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I mean if you're going to have a heavily Chinese influenced conlang, complete with tones and everything, at least have the audacity to use Chinese characters like that Japanese one.
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They tried and it worked fairly well, but the creator must have chickened out, what with all the effort it would have taken.All4Ɇn wrote:I mean if you're going to have a heavily Chinese influenced conlang, complete with tones and everything, at least have the audacity to use Chinese characters like that Japanese one.
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At least they tried being creative with it what with all the new characters for words that already had Chinese charactersFrislander wrote:They tried and it worked fairly well, but the creator must have chickened out, what with all the effort it would have taken.All4Ɇn wrote:I mean if you're going to have a heavily Chinese influenced conlang, complete with tones and everything, at least have the audacity to use Chinese characters like that Japanese one.
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Iyionaku wrote:Plus, it seems like he uses <d> for /j/, <gi> for /z/ and <x> for /s/ ...really!? You didn't even invent any grammar, dude.
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All makes sense in the conhistory, given the state of the language where he put that De Rhodes Charachter in.Iyionaku wrote: Plus, it seems like he uses <d> for /j/, <gi> for /z/ and <x> for /s/ ...really!?
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I've always been a fan of this Chinese-influenced script. The creator didn't feel like they had to stick with pictographs; they just made their own from bits and pieces and forcing character parts together. The Chinese conlanger would look at it with complete horror, but I think it just ends up being such an interesting deconstruction and creative way to work with a predecessor conscript.All4Ɇn wrote:At least they tried being creative with it what with all the new characters for words that already had Chinese charactersFrislander wrote:They tried and it worked fairly well, but the creator must have chickened out, what with all the effort it would have taken.All4Ɇn wrote:I mean if you're going to have a heavily Chinese influenced conlang, complete with tones and everything, at least have the audacity to use Chinese characters like that Japanese one.
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Creator of Basque... it's ok to have some complexity in the language, and I'm always fund of some peculiarities that are hardly explainable, especially in verbal inflection. And as you did an a priori language, you are of course free to go.
But this?? Honestly? Did you even look twice about your verbal pattern?? Plus, either go through with it or leave it altogether. But don't create 5-10 super fancy monstrous verbs, get bored/disappointed/overstrained/demotivated over it and decide that all other verbs don't have any finite forms.
On the other hand, I laughed a straight 10 minutes after I stumbled upon your inside joke of the word eztabaida. Good work on that!
But this?? Honestly? Did you even look twice about your verbal pattern?? Plus, either go through with it or leave it altogether. But don't create 5-10 super fancy monstrous verbs, get bored/disappointed/overstrained/demotivated over it and decide that all other verbs don't have any finite forms.
On the other hand, I laughed a straight 10 minutes after I stumbled upon your inside joke of the word eztabaida. Good work on that!
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PIE creator: I think the reason you never finished this language is because it's too complicated for its own good. Why should a noun ablaut in three different ways in the same paradigm? No /b/ but /bʰ/, only voiced aspirates with no voiceless counterparts, syllabic laryngeals, only mid vowels (if you're only going to have two vowels, at least make one of them /a/!). And I love all the initial syllable reduplication that can mean whatever you want depending on the verb, and the nasal infix with no semantic function at all, but some of this seems a bit arbitrary. This language just makes no sense. It'll die out before it even gets a chance ;)
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As far as I'm informed, the creator had already been aware of this problem and tried to simplify the language with diachronic conlanging. But he might have thought two or three subfamilies were not enough, so he created about a dozen And to make them different enough, he did some shit that his very hardly justifible, like a sound shift /dʰ/ > /jɛɾk/ in the Armenian subfamily or just switched out a third of the lexicon in the Germanic subfamily.KaiTheHomoSapien wrote:PIE creator: I think the reason you never finished this language is because it's too complicated for its own good. Why should a noun ablaut in three different ways in the same paradigm? No /b/ but /bʰ/, only voiced aspirates with no voiceless counterparts, syllabic laryngeals, only mid vowels (if you're only going to have two vowels, at least make one of them /a/!). And I love all the initial syllable reduplication that can mean whatever you want depending on the verb, and the nasal infix with no semantic function at all, but some of this seems a bit arbitrary. This language just makes no sense. It'll die out before it even gets a chance ;)
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I feel like this thread is far to negative.
So, kudos to the conlangers creating the Papuan languages. Looks like a collaborative project of the best conlangers in the world. Minimalist phonologies (with some nice quirks), delicious morphophonology, they put a lot of work into the lexicon, created some unique syntactical constructions.
And because everyone is talking about diachronics, they really used every possible feature. Massive borrowings, crazy sound changes. Nobody can figure out what is a family and what is a Sprachbund. I really like it
So, kudos to the conlangers creating the Papuan languages. Looks like a collaborative project of the best conlangers in the world. Minimalist phonologies (with some nice quirks), delicious morphophonology, they put a lot of work into the lexicon, created some unique syntactical constructions.
And because everyone is talking about diachronics, they really used every possible feature. Massive borrowings, crazy sound changes. Nobody can figure out what is a family and what is a Sprachbund. I really like it
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What's going on with Australia? It's like this one guy has gone through several hundred drafts of the same language, gutting the vocabulary, but keeping bits of the morphology and altering the syntax while making at most minimal changes to the phonology. They even had a strong polysynthetic phase with pervasive noun-incorporation, but they have been mostly dependent marking.
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And instead of creating something truly unique when it came to the conworld they just had all of the languages become endangered due to British imperialism. Really? England conquered an entire continent? Seems unlikelyFrislander wrote:What's going on with Australia? It's like this one guy has gone through several hundred drafts of the same language, gutting the vocabulary, but keeping bits of the morphology and altering the syntax while making at most minimal changes to the phonology. They even had a strong polysynthetic phase with pervasive noun-incorporation, but they have been mostly dependent marking.
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Well the US and Canada happened, so it's not without precendent.All4Ɇn wrote:And instead of creating something truly unique when it came to the conworld they just had all of the languages become endangered due to British imperialism. Really? England conquered an entire continent? Seems unlikelyFrislander wrote:What's going on with Australia? It's like this one guy has gone through several hundred drafts of the same language, gutting the vocabulary, but keeping bits of the morphology and altering the syntax while making at most minimal changes to the phonology. They even had a strong polysynthetic phase with pervasive noun-incorporation, but they have been mostly dependent marking.
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There's still MexicoFrislander wrote:Well the US and Canada happened, so it's not without precendent.