Ceresz wrote:Ballen, haha. You know what that means in Swedish, right ?
Since the Norwegian word he used is from ball and not balle it doesn't have the same pitch accent as Swedish ballen (which, for comparison, doesn't have the same pitch accent as Swedish bollen), so they can't really be mixed upp in speech anyway.
Also, don't forget that balle means buttocks in Scania.
Let's also not forget that nobody actually says ballen in Sweden because it's the dorkiest word ever!*
* Unfortunately, lots of people in certain places do. :_:
Pag-buum K'ip nim ta̤s sum nim sep hap nim selk.
/kʰip nim təs sum nim sep xap nim selk/
run DEF girl go.around DEF tree kick DEF ball
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.
Nine words, nine syllables, isolating.
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소년이 나무 주위에서 달리고 공을 찼어요.
sonyeon-i namu juwi-eseo dalli-go gong-eul chass-eoyo
girl-SUBJ tree around-LOCATION.ACTION run-and ball-OBJ kick-PRES.POLITE
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.
6 words, 17 syllables. Heavily agglutinative.
(in order of proficiency from greatest to least)
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Kannow (polysynthetic): Hecqptàkŗùnr roņekàmcpakr lŗotʼóŗ.
[heçqftʷɔxrʷuɳɖʐ ɖʐəɲekʷʰɔmçpɑxʂ ɮrətʼəo̯rʷ] hec-ģ`-ptàk-ŗùn-r ro-ņe-kàmc-pag-r lŗotʼ-ŗ`
INFER.NRPAST-around-tree-run-C2.A.SG NONF.PAST-LOC-ball-kick-C2.A.SG girl-C2.DEF
Three words, nine syllables.
Arve (historically isolating, beginning to shift toward agglutinativity): Tegnar gou löyn rei kes tjenn, je kes tegnar pack grout.
[t͡seŋ ɡʊ lø̃y̯ rʌi̯ çɪ cʌ̃n jɪ çeŋɐ pʌʔ ʀɔu̯ʔ]
PST-3S around tree run girl and 3S\PST-3S kick ball
As spoken, nine words, eleven syllables. As written, eleven words, thirteen syllables.
Cherun (isolating): Jieh saa llid ger tod herllyd ban.
[ci̤ə̯ sɑː ɬʲiʔ ŋe˞ː toʔ hḛ˞ːɬʲ pˠã]
girl do run go_around tree kick-SBJZ ball
Seven words, seven syllables, eleven morae.
Insular Kett: (slightly agglutinative) Héman léyen cal ḩaréit em pángri ḩapéyst.
[ˈχɛmɐn ˈɫɵɥɵn dzɐɫ hɐˈrɪjtɕ ɪm ˈpʰaŋʑi hɐˈpɵɥst]
girl=TOP tree=around PST-run-ACT and ball PST-kick-ACT
Six or seven words, twelve syllables.
Continental Kett: (slightly agglutinative) Hénm lýň co mrííč pánci mýst.
[hénm ly̋n dzô mɾǐi̋tʃ pǎndzî mýst]
girl<TOP> tree=around PST-run-ACT ball PST\kick-ACT
Five or six words, eight syllables.
I'm kind of surprised that these are all so concise. Part of it might be that none of my langs have definite articles (although I'm considering adding some to Cherun), but I would've expected at least Insular Kett to be longer. Arve normally looks pretty long, but it doesn't allow more than one unstressed syllable in a row, so it'll occasionally drop syllables altogether. And it'll get longer once I add more particles, since it likes forcing everything into trochees.
CMunk wrote:
Oh, it means buttocks in Danish too. What does it mean in (standard) Swedish and Norwegian then?
From Wiktionary:
(vardagligt) penis
(vardagligt) testikel, ofta i plural
(sydsvenskt dialektalt) skinka (i betydelsen en halva av rumpan, ej styckningsdetaljen skinka hos gris), gump
en del av hoven på en häst
"Gjmc Nkīdh fistglezjtha n Zaltos irwazjtha."
[girl tree-LOC around-run-PST-3.SG.F and ball-ACC kick-PST-3.SG.F]
6 words, 12 syllables. Extremely synthetic.
Nūdenku waga honji ma naku honyasi ne ika-ika ichamase! female-appearance=despite boy-voice=PAT hold boy-youth=TOP very be.cute-3PL Honyasi zō honyasi ma naidasu. boy-youth=AGT boy-youth=PAT love.romantically-3S
Das Mädchen rannte um den Baum und schoss den Ball. 10 words, 12 syllables German, fusional
Ma klatshof nol dent mut tis tsip ta kruf. 9 words, 10 syllablesPøplish, isolating
[ma ˈklatʃɔf nɔl dɛnt mut tis tsip ta kruf] FEM child walk LOC tree and foot OBJ ball
Edit: Added a conlang
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Stab sk ba y koong fep sk a tre b j yaa. - 7 syllables Ca vāi kōng fé háthe jā.
/ʦʰà βâî̯ kʰôŋ fé xá.ʈʰè ʨā/
[ʦʰà ɸâî̯ kʰɔ̃̂ŋ fé xɑ́.ʈè ʨā]
stab sk-ba-y koong fep sk-atre-b j-yaa
Ca h-pà-◌̂i kōong fé h-áthè-◌ zh=yāa
tree PRF-run-around girl and PRF-kick-3SG.ANIMACC=ball The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.
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Hei mun kwe po pim slaing pei noin tang kwe pi hai skam pu slain. female child-[noun] PST speed move-[verb] circle-[modifier] height plant-[noun] and-[modifier] PST move part strike-[verb] play circle-[noun]
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.
15 words, 15 syllables - Isolating
Should really do this for HyPry. Too darn busy. But the sheer number of words... yes. I will do it. Eventually.
Edit: Substituted a string instrument for a French interjection.
deinaol şuigheis ainfai adech eşu sifemi punkalkeis.
deina<o>l şuigh-eis ain-fai adech eşu sife<m>-i punkalk-eis.
/dejnawl ʂwiɰejθ ajnɸaj adex eʂu θiɸemi puŋkalkejθ/ girl<DEF> run-3s.PERF tree-DEF.ACC around and ball-<DEF>-ACC kick-3s.PERF
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.
16 syllables, 7 words
-descendant: Chüi Baris
denau o enf aechs şuigets eşon sivri em punkauks.
denau o en-f aech-s şuig-ets eşon sivr-i em punkauk-s.
/denɔ: ɛ̃f aːxs ʃygets eʒɔ̃ sivʀjɛ̃ pɔ̃kɔks/ girl DEF tree-ACC around-3s.PERF run-ADV and.DUR ball-ACC DEF kick-3s.PERF
The girl ran around the tree and kicked the ball.
12 syllables, 9 words
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