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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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*mugjǭ ‘fly, midge’?
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:*mugjǭ ‘fly, midge’?
Well, technically *mują, but close enough.
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So, it’s *mari-hunaga-staina-mują ‘sea-honey-stone-fly’.

I’m guessing it’s a species of insect?

How do the morphemes split up? Is it (mær-hunág)-(stain-mý)? (mær-(hunág-stain))-mý? Something else?
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Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:So, it’s *mari-hunaga-staina-mują ‘sea-honey-stone-fly’.

I’m guessing it’s a species of insect?

How do the morphemes split up? Is it (mær-hunág)-(stain-mý)? (mær-(hunág-stain))-mý[/b]? Something else?
Pretty much, yeah.

Correct.

Uh, I guess I'd say (mær-hunág-stain)-mý.
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shimobaatar wrote:
GamerGeek wrote: Was <æ> a result of a-umlaut, and <y> a result of u-umlaut?
No and no.
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:So, it’s *mari-hunaga-staina-mują
How is it no if the morpheme was *mari...
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Does the ý come from either PG *ū with i-umlaut or *ī with u-umlaut?
Oh, was I using incorrect terminology?
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GamerGeek wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:
GamerGeek wrote: Was <æ> a result of a-umlaut, and <y> a result of u-umlaut?
No and no.
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:So, it’s *mari-hunaga-staina-mują
How is it no if the morpheme was *mari...
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Does the ý come from either PG *ū with i-umlaut or *ī with u-umlaut?
Oh, was I using incorrect terminology?
*mari > mær and *mują > mý are both the results of i-umlaut. The types of umlaut are named after the vowels that affect other vowels, not the vowels that are affected. Although in the case of *mują > mý, it was the *j that caused the i-umlaut of the preceding *u.
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shimobaatar wrote:
GamerGeek wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:
GamerGeek wrote: Was <æ> a result of a-umlaut, and <y> a result of u-umlaut?
No and no.
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:So, it’s *mari-hunaga-staina-mują
How is it no if the morpheme was *mari...
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Does the ý come from either PG *ū with i-umlaut or *ī with u-umlaut?
Oh, was I using incorrect terminology?
*mari > mær and *mują > mý are both the results of i-umlaut. The types of umlaut are named after the vowels that affect other vowels, not the vowels that are affected.
i-umlauted/mutated a doesn't roll off the tongue as well as a-umlaut...
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GamerGeek wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:
GamerGeek wrote:
shimobaatar wrote:
GamerGeek wrote: Was <æ> a result of a-umlaut, and <y> a result of u-umlaut?
No and no.
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:So, it’s *mari-hunaga-staina-mują
How is it no if the morpheme was *mari...
Ashtâr Balînestyâr wrote:Does the ý come from either PG *ū with i-umlaut or *ī with u-umlaut?
Oh, was I using incorrect terminology?
*mari > mær and *mują > mý are both the results of i-umlaut. The types of umlaut are named after the vowels that affect other vowels, not the vowels that are affected.
i-umlauted/mutated a doesn't roll off the tongue as well as a-umlaut...
Alright, I guess I'll get the people who came up with the terminology on the phone and see what we can do. [:P]
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Re: Guess the Word in Germanic Conlangs

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Well it looks like it means "amber fly" or perhaps "fly preserved in amber". But I don't know why there'd be a word for that - is it a metaphor, perhaps?
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Salmoneus wrote:Well it looks like it means "amber fly" or perhaps "fly preserved in amber". But I don't know why there'd be a word for that - is it a metaphor, perhaps?
Mosquito, perhaps?
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spanick wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:Well it looks like it means "amber fly" or perhaps "fly preserved in amber". But I don't know why there'd be a word for that - is it a metaphor, perhaps?
Mosquito, perhaps?
Correct! It can refer specifically to an insect preserved in amber, but it's more often used as a poetic term for mosquito or similar insects. The more common term, however, is either blóðmý /ˈbluvmaʏ̯/ (Lit. "bloodfly") or just moskits /ˈmoskits/.
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shimobaatar wrote:
spanick wrote:
Salmoneus wrote:Well it looks like it means "amber fly" or perhaps "fly preserved in amber". But I don't know why there'd be a word for that - is it a metaphor, perhaps?
Mosquito, perhaps?
Correct! It can refer specifically to an insect preserved in amber, but it's more often used as a poetic term for mosquito or similar insects. The more common term, however, is either blóðmý /ˈbluvmaʏ̯/ (Lit. "bloodfly") or just moskits /ˈmoskits/.
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Is it a plural?
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Is it something old?
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Are the last two syllables from *druhtiz?
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GamerGeek wrote:Is it a plural?
No.
Creyeditor wrote:Is it something old?
I don't understand the question.
ixals wrote:Are the last two syllables from *druhtiz?
Yes!
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Is the word in the nominative singular?
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shimobaatar wrote:Is the word in the nominative singular?
Yes.
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spanick wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:Is it something old?
I don't understand the question.
Gamalaz is Germanic for gammle, "old" or "weak".
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elemtilas wrote:
spanick wrote:
Creyeditor wrote:Is it something old?
I don't understand the question.
Gamalaz is Germanic for gammle, "old" or "weak".
Oh, gotcha. No, that is not cognate to the first part of the compound.
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