Quick Diachronics Challenge
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I'm kind of working on it for an hour or two each night after work. My main struggle is keeping everything in a reasonable order I've been looking at Language B for the last 15 minutes, and I think I can spot a couple of sound changes, just need to get them all down and make sure they make sense.
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
And for a preliminary guess at the words in the proto-language:
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You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
CLASSIFICATION
RECONSTRUCTION (step 1)
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Commentary on guesses below, don't open if you don't want to see. . This is pretty vague looking back at it, but I will issue a more helpful thing in the future if necessary.
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I'll be posting my guess soon, most likely tomorrow, as I'll be in for a very slow day at work.
I've gotta say: Bravo, good chap. This is one hell of a maze to sort through.
I've gotta say: Bravo, good chap. This is one hell of a maze to sort through.
I like my languages how I like my women: grammatically complex with various moods and tenses, a thin line between nouns and verbs, and dozens upon dozens of possible conjugations for every single verb.
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I've had to take a break over Christmas and New Year (spending time with family, and the shop I work in is open every day of the year), but I'm definitely with Inkcube-Revolver on this one, bravo! Trying to make my way through this is a challenge, but a lot of fun
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Quick bump, although I'm sure some are still slowly chipping away at it. If wanted, I can give a few attested epigraphic cognate forms?
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Sorry, late reply, I'm slowly, slowly having a go at this, just been super busy at work (we can't have holiday in December, so the moment January rolls around every week has one or two people off. If it weren't for that, January would actually be pretty quiet). "Chipping" is definitely the word I'd use for it, lol
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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So I tried my hand at this and I could probably continue to chip away at things, but it's just more work than I'm really willing to invest. Given the fact that it's died in the way it has I think you might have overshot the difficulty and/or scope a bit. I think the thing to do at the current point would either be: a) declare a winner based on the submissions that have already been made and move on, b) post some quite serious hints that would significantly reduce the scope/difficulty of the present challenge or c) post a new, more manageable challenge; but other people might have different opinions on this.
Warning: Anything I post may be ninja-edited up to half an hour after posting.
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I agree with gufferdk. I often tried to work something out by myself in previous challenges and when it was too difficult or it took too long, I stopped and never really posted anything here. This time I didn't even tried because it looked like too much work. It's supposed to be a minigame, a quick challenge and we went from one to two proto-words to ten that vary between /ˈaːʔaːʔkʷãːɨaːʔ/ and /ˈam̥aŋawotʰoka/ or /ãlã́mũ/ and /ˈtʰə̃ːə̃əkʷəw/. Like gufferdk said, "it's just more work than I'm really willing to invest". I see you've put a lot of work into it but I think it would be better to just announce a winner (which would have also been a good idea two months ago imho).
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Zhér·dûn a tonal Germanic conlang
old stuff: Цiски | Noattȯč | Tungōnis Vīdīnōs
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Zhér·dûn a tonal Germanic conlang
old stuff: Цiски | Noattȯč | Tungōnis Vīdīnōs
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So, I just wanted to mention, for me, it was definitely real life challenges (in a positive way) that got it my way. And there are many more to come.
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Alright, Sangi in that case would win. I'll post documentation when I have access; Sangi (or if they don't want to/aren't able to, someone else) can start a new one.
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I'd definitely be interested in seeing what the proto-words were. I ended up with less time than I wanted, but honestly couldn't get any further with it. I get the feeling I was looking at it hugely the wrong way.
I'll post something as soon as I can, hopefully later today
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Okay, something for people to have a go at:
There are two proto-words to reconstruct from 16 daughter languages
Blue indicates either ocean or rivers, while the brown areas mark out highland areas that are particularly difficult to cross (which should hopefully aid in grouping the languages together).
Good luck
There are two proto-words to reconstruct from 16 daughter languages
Blue indicates either ocean or rivers, while the brown areas mark out highland areas that are particularly difficult to cross (which should hopefully aid in grouping the languages together).
Good luck
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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I gave each language a number so I can do this a bit quicker.
There are a few things that confuse me a little bit, mostly the sibilants at the beginning of some languages as well as the vowels of in the Southwest.
I had a final guess, but now that I look at everything again, I might have another idea. Anyways, here's the guess:
There are a few things that confuse me a little bit, mostly the sibilants at the beginning of some languages as well as the vowels of in the Southwest.
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Zhér·dûn a tonal Germanic conlang
old stuff: Цiски | Noattȯč | Tungōnis Vīdīnōs
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Zhér·dûn a tonal Germanic conlang
old stuff: Цiски | Noattȯč | Tungōnis Vīdīnōs
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My attempt is here. Sorry if anything is unclear. My grouping is a bit off I think, I assumed rivers cannot be crossed. But it was fun anyway.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
Right, let's go through some answers
Covering some of Creyeditor's stuff:
Covering both final answers:
Hope that helps
Covering some of Creyeditor's stuff:
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Covering both final answers:
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Hope that helps
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Here's my answer, using ixals' numbers:
And the family map, for a better overview of my subdivisions:
In case it's not immediately clear, these are my proto-words:
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.