I'm happy waiting as wellCreyeditor wrote: ↑03 Nov 2018 11:12 Woops, totally forgot about this. So sorry. I would have time tomorrow to create a new challenge, if that's still okay.
Quick Diachronics Challenge
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You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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So I went a bit over the top when preparing this challenge, creating about 40 descendent languages, that I all like and care for. Since I thought that might be too much to cope with, I figured I could just split it up into three rounds. In the first round, you will see 12 cognates, in the second round I will add about 15, the same goes for the third round. Before I uncover them, some cognates will appear with black bars in the map. I hope you are okay with it. You get points for winning in each round, as well as having the best guess in general. Extra points for correct grouping or finding the Uhrheimat. Sorry again for being a month late.
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Some notes on the notation. Superscript g /g/ indicates voicing on a click, doubling of a letter shows length. The rest should be standard IPA but feel free to ask.
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Just a preliminary run at this:
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My first attempt:
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My computer can't view the images, if it's not an issue, could you link it in google drive? If not, could you list them in text? Sorry for the trouble.Creyeditor wrote: ↑05 Nov 2018 02:20 So I went a bit over the top when preparing this challenge, creating about 40 descendent languages, that I all like and care for. Since I thought that might be too much to cope with, I figured I could just split it up into three rounds. In the first round, you will see 12 cognates, in the second round I will add about 15, the same goes for the third round. Before I uncover them, some cognates will appear with black bars in the map. I hope you are okay with it. You get points for winning in each round, as well as having the best guess in general. Extra points for correct grouping or finding the Uhrheimat. Sorry again for being a month late.
Here's the challenge
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They might be too big, sorry for the size. Here is a link, hope it works https://abload.de/img/histoxround1thfxb.png.
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You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
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So close your eyes once more and once more believe
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Hey guys, I justed wanted to mention that I will leave you some feedback only when I will get to post the second round. I will give feedback only on the grouping and maybe the Urheimat, since these are potentially subject to change for each round. I will not comment on your guesses of the proto-word, since you might get around changing your guess based on the new langs anyway.
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Wow, this is a lot!Creyeditor wrote: ↑05 Nov 2018 02:20 So I went a bit over the top when preparing this challenge, creating about 40 descendent languages, that I all like and care for. Since I thought that might be too much to cope with, I figured I could just split it up into three rounds. In the first round, you will see 12 cognates, in the second round I will add about 15, the same goes for the third round. Before I uncover them, some cognates will appear with black bars in the map.
I've assigned each group a letter, moving from west to east (with one exception), for convenience.
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Just to clarify:
-Is stress not relevant? It doesn't seem to be marked anywhere.
-Is the [i] in [əi] non-syllabic, or is this a sequence of two syllables?
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1. Stress is only marked when relevant, i.e. when it is not predictable. That was my idea.shimobaatar wrote: ↑10 Nov 2018 20:26 -Is stress not relevant? It doesn't seem to be marked anywhere.
-Is the [i] in [əi] non-syllabic, or is this a sequence of two syllables?
2. It's a diphthong, but I would actually argue that the schwa might be non-syllabic.
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It's time for the second round:
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I will not indicate any preliminary/intermediate result, i.e. who of you is doing best in round one. I think you are all doing great actually I hope everything is clear and okay so far. If not, feel free to ask.
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If it's okay, can I have until about Tuesday afternoon (in the UK) to work on round 2? I'm going away for a few days and don't want to miss out.
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That's totally okay. I am doing the challenge for you guys, so I can wait for you (sg). I wanted to let you guys have at least one week for the second round anyway, so no big deal.
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Re: Quick Diachronics Challenge
One of the words appears to be transcribed afə̻xdo, with a square below the ə. As far as I know, a square below an IPA letter indicates laminal articulation, which I don't think makes sense for a vowel. Is this a mistake, or is it a notation that I'm not familiar with?
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Sorry, it's supposed to be a voiceless vowel, so a ring below.GrandPiano wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018 21:59 One of the words appears to be transcribed afə̻xdo, with a square below the ə. As far as I know, a square below an IPA letter indicates laminal articulation, which I don't think makes sense for a vowel. Is this a mistake, or is it a notation that I'm not familiar with?
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You can tell the same lie a thousand times,
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
But it never gets any more true,
So close your eyes once more and once more believe
That they all still believe in you.
Just one time.
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Conlangs: Ronc Tyu | Buruya Nzaysa | Doayâu | Tmaśareʔ
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Oh, OK. I figured that might be it.Creyeditor wrote: ↑19 Nov 2018 08:56Sorry, it's supposed to be a voiceless vowel, so a ring below.GrandPiano wrote: ↑18 Nov 2018 21:59 One of the words appears to be transcribed afə̻xdo, with a square below the ə. As far as I know, a square below an IPA letter indicates laminal articulation, which I don't think makes sense for a vowel. Is this a mistake, or is it a notation that I'm not familiar with?
I’ll try to post my next attempt within the next few days.
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Here's my next attempt, though I'm not very confident about my proto-word:
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I'll try to make an attempt soon, too.
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