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eldin raigmore · Post by **eldin raigmore** » 09 Nov 2023 10:39

Lambuzhao wrote: ↑07 Nov 2023 20:34
floatremes

Spoiler:
In grammar, there are verbal suffixes which can jump numerical position, adding to another suffix's meaning/intensity. These are called 'rovers'. This is only among the subset of verbal suffixes; this does not occur in the subset of nominal suffixes, nor verbal/nominal prefixes.

If you were to go 100% , you could call them something like 'pleremes' or 'ploioremes' from πλεῖν ᾽to sail, float'.

Or even 'moviremes' if you were to go + taking a cue from so many botanical, binomial, and dinosaurial nomenclatures.
Yet I like idea behind, and your kenning of, floatremes !

I like floatremes too!
And I somehow missed it the first ten days of last month!
So I’m glad I read Lambuzhao’s response.
This was kiwikami’s idea, right?

lurker · Post by **lurker** » 09 Nov 2023 17:30

Technically this was a few days ago, but I made a braille system for Commonthroat. It doesn't have a regular print writing system yet.

Ælfwine · Post by **Ælfwine** » 11 Nov 2023 03:51

Ælfwine wrote: ↑02 Nov 2023 03:16 I rebooted my old gothic conlang and renamed it Mariupol Gothic.

The reason for the rename is a historical change. Instead of being Tatarized, the goths of the Tauric peninsula remained as Orthodox Christians. So when Catherine the Great invited the Crimean Greeks to settle newly conquered lands, a bunch of Crimean Goths also followed. It shares a similarity with Mariupol Greek, which is the city with the largest amount of Crimean Greek speakers.

The other reason, is that the endonym is not very appealing to me, and the term "Crimean Gothic" is obviously shared with the historical 16th century language, and the other term I used, "Modern Gothic," is in use by several other people already!

Not too much is going to change with this language, I'm experimenting with the effects of different sound changes on the declension system.

An update, some more Mariupol Gothic declensions and test words.

Khemehekis · Post by **Khemehekis** » 13 Nov 2023 06:25

Today I created Quispe words for the black-plant-bioswath species and higher taxa that didn't already have Quispe names.

I created names native to Quispe or other languages of Querre for classes that they have on Querre, like the wondexes and alkhai, or vegetables of Querre. The LIE words for wondexes, alkhai, black plant vegetables, etc. hadn't gotten Quispe words before because the LIE words (for which I was borrowing from Quispe and other languages like Ampwanitz and Ixender depending on taxon or plant use) came from languages other than Quispe!

As for the taxa within the black plant bioswath that they don't have on Querre, like the emblons and the nechiloks, I borrowed them straight from the same non-Quispe languages wherefrom LIE borrowed them, adapting them to Querre's phonology (although many of these words still have signs of foreignness from a Quispe perspective, such as djmostens (assimilated Quispe words would never begin with a djm-).

Quispe now has 2,445 words.

Ælfwine · Post by **Ælfwine** » 18 Nov 2023 06:07

Ælfwine wrote: ↑11 Nov 2023 03:51
Ælfwine wrote: ↑02 Nov 2023 03:16 I rebooted my old gothic conlang and renamed it Mariupol Gothic.

The reason for the rename is a historical change. Instead of being Tatarized, the goths of the Tauric peninsula remained as Orthodox Christians. So when Catherine the Great invited the Crimean Greeks to settle newly conquered lands, a bunch of Crimean Goths also followed. It shares a similarity with Mariupol Greek, which is the city with the largest amount of Crimean Greek speakers.

The other reason, is that the endonym is not very appealing to me, and the term "Crimean Gothic" is obviously shared with the historical 16th century language, and the other term I used, "Modern Gothic," is in use by several other people already!

Not too much is going to change with this language, I'm experimenting with the effects of different sound changes on the declension system.
An update, some more Mariupol Gothic declensions and test words.

Going to (tentatively) bring back the genitive case in Mariupol Gothic. I thought it would be a cool idea if the conlang adopted the animacy system from southern Russian. For the most part words that merge the Nominative and Accusative cases are inanimate, while words that merge the accusative and genitive cases are animate.

ex. vulfs, "wolf" an animate masculine noun

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	S	P
NOM: vulfs	vulvus
ACC: vulf	vulvăns
GEN: vulf	vulvăns*

*the original genitive form would have been vulvăs / vulvi.

now compare it to mīnă, "moon" an inanimate feminine noun:

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	S	P
NOM: mīnă	mīnăns
ACC: mīnă	mīnăns
GEN: mīnăns	mīni

(I should probably create a thread for this now). But otherwise pretty cool.

Arayaz · Post by **Arayaz** » 30 Nov 2023 16:35

Ruykkarraber now has a system of auxiliaries, which indicate... a lot of things. And they do weird morphosyntactic stuff, so that's fun.

lurker · Post by **lurker** » 01 Dec 2023 01:51

I finished the first draft of the Commonthroat print alphabet, just in time for Lexember :) It's written right to left. Size is a differentiating factor, such as the difference between the chuff and the short low weak grunt. Some glyphs also differ mainly in position, such as the short high strong grunt and the long high strong grunt.

Khemehekis · Post by **Khemehekis** » 01 Dec 2023 02:14

Wow! It looks very Arabicky!

lurker · Post by **lurker** » 01 Dec 2023 02:39

Khemehekis wrote: ↑01 Dec 2023 02:14 Wow! It looks very Arabicky!

Thanks. I wasn't explicitly aiming for an Arabic feel, but it definitely leans in that direction especially given the writing direction. I actually forgot to do the short and long high weak whines (C and c), so I'm actually not finished. Here's a hand-written sample in an authentic yinrih blue-black ink (no rain smell though).

"What healer does not abide among the sick?"

lsd · Post by **lsd** » 01 Dec 2023 17:43

lexember is an annual event for the conlang community...
it deserves a calendar...

eldin raigmore · Post by **eldin raigmore** » 03 Dec 2023 05:27

@Arayaz: I like Ruykkarraber so far! It looks interesting!

lurker · Post by **lurker** » 03 Dec 2023 23:31

Working on a font for Commonthroat with Inkscape and FontForge. Making fonts is hard. I'm also learning about how OpenType and Unicode determine text direction. Hint: it's not as easy as saying "this font should be right-to-left".

_Just_A_Sketch · Post by **_Just_A_Sketch** » 05 Dec 2023 03:49

I've been working on Tsjàta making the verbs and pronouns. I want them a bit more developed before getting a post in the thread for Tsjàta, but I just wanted to share that the 3rd person plural pronoun is Llemón /ʟe'mo˩˥n/. I just like how close it is to lemon :)

Post by **Dormouse559** » 06 Dec 2023 19:02

I determined that thematic adjectives and nouns in Faux Phrygian can be divided into five groups based on the stress shifts they undergo. While thinking about what to name the groups, I realized that I can just number them, because, by coincidence, each of the first five ordinals fits into a different stress group. I.e., πρότος “first” is in one group, άντερος “second” is in another, τριτός “third” is in yet another, and so on. So the group names themselves are mnemonics.

WeepingElf · Post by **WeepingElf** » 06 Dec 2023 19:59

Dormouse559 wrote: ↑06 Dec 2023 19:02 I determined that thematic adjectives and nouns in Faux Phrygian can be divided into five groups based on the stress shifts they undergo. While thinking about what to name the groups, I realized that I can just number them, because, by coincidence, each of the first five ordinals fits into a different stress group. I.e., πρότος “first” is in one group, άντερος “second” is in another, τριτός “third” is in yet another, and so on. So the group names themselves are mnemonics.

Wow!

lurker · Post by **lurker** » 07 Dec 2023 00:54

I finished the first draft of a very sloppy font for Commonthroat, or as I would say in Commonthroat:

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[long rising weak growl, yip, short high strong whine, yip short high strong whine / short high strong whine / huff, long falling weak growl, chuff, long low strong grunt, chuff]
GJsfsf f qJGrMr! 
GJ-sfsf     f   qJGr-Mr
make-MIR    PL  glyph-3.PROX
[I] made these letters, wow!

Khemehekis · Post by **Khemehekis** » 26 Dec 2023 07:42

On Sunday I finished a several-day slog of looking for missing S-words in my English-Kankonian dictionary. I ended up getting 560 new Kankonian words out of it, so it was well worth it. Here's a sampling (put in a spoiler because I've sampled so many):

Spoiler:

lsd · Post by **lsd** » 01 Jan 2024 15:03

Nel Fie · Post by **Nel Fie** » 02 Jan 2024 12:14

Due to increasing limitations as I tried to add features to my sound changer, I took the jump and replaced my primitive processing system with a custom tokeniser, and it turned out easier to write than I thought. There's still plenty of work to do, including the writing of a parser, but I hope this will make a lot of things much easier down the line.

kiwikami · Post by **kiwikami** » 02 Jan 2024 19:33

I was writing out a description of the naming system used by the conculture associated with Alál (which I nearly never talk about) for that thread on naming system in the Conworlds forum. ...But it has gotten rather long and grammatically complicated such that I may just turn it into another post on Alál's main thread. Dang, that thread needs to be updated. Mostly phonetically.

While writing that post, I tested out a thing I've been wanting to play with for a while - merging two vowels in different groups. Alál's vowels are divided into the "standing" /i a u/, "resting" /ɪ ɐ ɤ/, and "pulling" /e ɑ o/ groups, which interact differently with stress. This is the remnant of an old tone system, which morphed into something like pitch-accent over the last ~6 years.

Well. It's tonal again. Sort of. Technically it is now a three-way register complex.

This was... somewhat inevitable. I'd found that the actual pitch change I used to indicate that accent differed depending on vowel group - I tended to pronounce stressed standing vowels at a higher pitch, stressed pulling vowels at a lower one. This is almost certainly a psychological association with the concept of "vowel height" in the abstract, since AFAIK vowel height does not actually correspond to tonal patterns or contribute to tonogenesis in natlangs. Probably. Mostly. Information is conflicting. (On the one hand there are correlations between F0 and vowel height, see Ohala & Eukel 1987. On the other, Hombert 1977. Statistically, probably, ANADEW.)

The old stress system still applies, but tone is applied on top of this, which has finally allowed an excuse to do something I've wanted to do for years: get rid of /ɐ/. My own dialect of English has [a] for /æ/ (or it did - I've since Americanized, because living in a place where /æ/ raises to [eə] meant that [a] was far enough away to lead to misunderstanding. Can't quite maintain it before nasals, though, had a friend on Zoom call their roommate over once just to hear how I said the word "pants"...). I like /a/, and I really wanted resting /ɐ/ to be more fronted. But what to do, then with standing /a/? Didn't want to merge them, too much homophony would result (among many other things, a third of all verbs would no longer distinguish third person singular and plural subjects). Didn't want to raise it to /ɛ/ with /e/ and /ɪ/ both there, the vowel space was already so busy up front. I like things to be somewhat evenly spaced.

Solution: standing /a/ > /ɛ́/, pulling /e/ > /ɛ̀/, resting /ɐ/ > /a/ (though it remains /ɐ/ in diphthongs). And that means that tone is now officially phonemic. Sort of. It's still parceled with stress rules and some things about epenthesis - the first vowel in a word can't be pulling - thus it's technically a register complex rather than strictly tone. But still.

It's still in testing, but I do really like this so far. Spend some time writing out the rules for how tone contour over a word is determined, here's a test for the result using my latest translation challenge:

Is ur·Ḳazımlıaı lıẓıák mas : Ḷìḳıkáûax xazasa ḳıúṣ.
---> [ɪs ɤrˈŋɐʒɪmɮjɐj ɬɪt͡ʃˈjék mɐs ɪˈt͡ɬeŋɪgéwɑχ ˈxɐʒɐz ŋjut͡s]
---> [ɪ̀s ɤ̀rˈŋàʒɪ̀mɮjɐ̀j ɬɪ̀t͡ʃˈjɛ́k màs ɪ́ˈt͡ɬɛ̀ŋɪ̀gɛ́wɑ̀χ ˈxàʒàz ŋjút͡s]
ıs ur=ḳı<azv>m-lı-ı-a lıẓı<ıá>k mas ḷı<ì>ḳ-ká-ú-à-x xa<az-a#a>s ḳı<ıú>ṣ
while within=walk.aimlessly<1>-PST-DUR-VOL.ACT forest<OBL> that.OBL fall<4>-down-onto-CONC-ACT head<1-OBL> branch<PAT>
While I was walking about in the forest, a branch fell down onto my head.

The one thing that does throw a wrench in the works is that this means changing how the endonym is pronounced! It's been /ɐˈɬal/ for so long, it'll be a time getting used to /àˈɬɛ́l/.

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