Analysis swap: Dzougedan

[Visions1]

Well, here we are. Comfy?

[Trailsend]

:D :D :D :D

What's the setting like for Dzougedan? What kinds of things does it tend to have/not have words for?

[Visions1]

Well, there's this: https://cbbforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=323277#p323277
Maybe this: https://cbbforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=32 ... rn#p324866
Or this: https://cbbforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=32 ... aj#p323608

Think the Celts in 400, with occasional cities. Also remember the N/S castes.

[Trailsend]

Sweet! How do you say "What is that?"

[Visions1]

"Cĭjr Tze?" or maybe better, "Tzejr Cĭ?", in simple cases. But what you call what isn't always Cĭ, and that isn't always Tze.
"Cĭjr Tze?" is more like a statement.

[Trailsend]

Awesome.

I set a knife on the table between us.

Tzejr Cĭ?

[Arayaz]

I materialize on the floor, gasping as though I just ran a long way. "Hey there," I say. "Could you ─" *pant* "─ tell me how I might say" ─ *pant* ─ "something like 'I am running'?"

[Visions1]

...Na Crout Jajĭg Ba Nŭh...

Tzejr Cĭjr Wasog, Trejlsend.


...Z̖ect Na Cĭ?!

[Trailsend]

I materialize on the floor, gasping as though I just ran a long way. "Hey there," I say. "Could you ─" *pant* "─ tell me how I might say" ─ *pant* ─ "something like 'I am running'?"

Tzejr Cĭjr Wasog, Trejlsend.

I remove the knife and replace it with a small rock.

Tzejr Cĭjr Wasog?

[Visions1]

What the heck? You are who?! Is... This is this is what is Jarohaj made, or?!?!

Od, Moj, Trejlsend. Tzejr Cĭjr Juco.

[Arayaz]

What the heck? Who are you?! Is... This is this is what is Jarohaj made, or?!?!

( )

"Sorry," I gasp, slowly recovering air to my lungs. "I'm jumping around all over the place here. Lotsa fieldwork to do. Could you tell me how I'd say 'I'm running,' please?"

[Visions1]

"Na Lis". Same as "I run." When you saying -ing, I often mix it up with no -ing.
...Who are you?

[Arayaz]

"Ah," I say. "And is it the na that is 'run,' or the lis?"

[Visions1]

"Na" is "I, me."
"Lis" is run.
Gin Bizĕje Huejlĕr, who are you??

[Arayaz]

"Na" is "I, me."
"Lis" is run.
Gin Bizĕje Huejlĕr, who are you??

"Ah," I say. "Najr Arayaz?" I tentatively say.

[Trailsend]

Od, Moj, Trejlsend. Tzejr Cĭjr Juco.

Aah, mhm. Tzejr Cĭjr Od Wasog, I say, frowning and waving my hand at the rock. Tzejr Cĭjr Juco.

Was that right?

Spoiler:

Gin Bizĕje Huejlĕr, who are you??

That's interesting! Is that "who are you", or some other comment, I wonder? If the former it seems like there's a lot going on!

[Visions1]

"Na Arajaz."
That is what is a good name. You call them birches.
But say it wrong and it will sound for a bad word.

Now Trejlsend, that was a... hm.
"For Bizĕ's holies."

Od Aj... ... Tzejr Cĭjr Juco Wag Wasog, Od, Tzejr Cĭjr Juco Od Wasog

[Arayaz]

"Na Arajaz."
That is what is a good name. You call them birches.
But say it wrong and it will sound for a bad word.

"Oh dear," I say, "not another language where my name is almost a profanity. I should say na Arajaz, then? So why can't we say tze cĭ; why must it be tzejr cĭ?"

[Visions1]

Ĕĕĕĕĕĕĕĕĕĕĕĕĕĕ...
It just goes. You don't need say "I am Arajaz" - "Na Ir Arajaz." And - But - you can. And you can use the other. But Tzejr Cĭjr is more a thing... or a thing that you need to describe.

"Ir" is like "is" - it's the grammar. You need it in ways not far from English, but not close also.

[Trailsend]

Now Trejlsend, that was a... hm.
"For Bizĕ's holies."

Od Aj... ... Tzejr Cĭjr Juco Wag Wasog, Od, Tzejr Cĭjr Juco Od Wasog[/i]

Hmm.

Spoiler:

I took a guess that Od was some kind of negation, but I think that was wrong. From this:

Od Aj... ... Tzejr Cĭjr Juco Wag Wasog, Od, Tzejr Cĭjr Juco Od Wasog.

It feels like Od is some kind of conjunction? And maybe it also works as a connecting discourse particle, like "and" or "but". Maybe that's what it was doing here:

Od, Moj, Trejlsend. Tzejr Cĭjr Juco.

Maybe the Od was just some connective filler? If so, maybe Moj is the real negation. Let's see:

This time I put both the knife and the rock on the table, the knife to one side, the rock to the other—separated enough that I can point at one without it looking like I'm pointing to the two of them together.

Is this right?

I point first at the knife.

Tzejr Cĭjr Moj Juco, I say, shaking my head. Tzejr Cĭjr Wasog.

Then I point at the rock.

Tzejr Cĭjr Moj Wasog, I say, shaking my head. Tzejr Cĭjr Juco.